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'''Welcome to ''Gramps''!'''
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=User Manual=
We hope you will contribute much and well.
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Hi Garry,
You will probably want to read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents help pages].
 
Again, welcome and have fun! [[User:Nickw|Nickw]] ([[User talk:Nickw|talk]]) 18:24, 28 November 2016 (MST)
 
=DNA Gramplet=
 
I apologize for jumping the gun on moving the DNA Gramplet documentation I did not [https://github.com/gramps-project/addons-source/pull/408#issuecomment-682188789 realize] the documentation was referring to an unreleased addon not available to anyone but yourself, which explains my confusion when I was attempting to update based on the existing version and seeing different results than your screenshots show :( Will you be sharing it for testing myself & possibly [[User:Matt]] are interested? --[[User:Gioto|Gioto]] ([[User talk:Gioto|talk]]) 22:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 
  
:Added access to test version at [https://github.com/GaryGriffin/addons-source/tree/DNA-gramplet-overhaul DNA]. I will be pushing this once another PR has been accepted ([https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/Addon:SyncAssociation Addon:SyncAssociation]is loosely connected to the DNA gramplet) [[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]] ([[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 17:25, 20 Sep 2020 (PST)
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Thanks for the pdf user manuals very handy.  
  
::Thanks, I'll try to check-it out in a few days. --[[User:Gioto|Gioto]] ([[User talk:Gioto|talk]]) 00:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hope you don't mind I've renamed the pages to include the version number in the filename.
  
==dna feedback from matt==
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I also added a link to the pdf copy on each of the relevant manual index pages.
  
[[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]]: Thank you for sharing. Testing seems to work fine. Some notes and ideas:
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[[User:Patsyblefebre|Patsy B Lefebre]] ([[User talk:Patsyblefebre|talk]]) 05:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
# The loading speed might become a problem. For 8 associations it already takes ~3 seconds to load.
 
# Overlapping segments are hidden below others and currently unaccessible. A way to draw overlapping segments in seperate rows might be an interesting feature in future.
 
[[User:Matt|Matt]] ([[User talk:Matt|talk]]) 10:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 
  
:[[User:Matt|Matt]]: Hmmm, I have 18 Associations for one person and it is less than a second to draw for me. I am on a 2013 Mac, so not the fastest system. This may be more of a function of PyCairo implementation on the platform. Can you provide more info on platform and range of overlaps.
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PS: How did you make them?
:# Are most of your segments tied to a maternal/paternal side or unknown (which can definitely get busy)? Almost all of mine are M/P known. The drawing format is the standard one (for each segment an M and a P section). I fear I would add more confusion if I diverted from that. See [https://DNApainter.com DNApainter] as an example.
 
:# I draw in order of Association. I cannot think of how I would draw in an order that guaranteed the largest was always behind all smaller overlaps. I have only 1 totally obscured overlap, so hadn't thought about this problem. I only realized I had this when I made the segments more transparent (see next item).
 
:# Maybe if all were less opaque, it would be an easier view? Change line 330 of dna.py to the following. This will change the opacity to 0.5 for M/P and 0.33 for U. The one I posted was 1 for M/P and 0.5 for U. Would appreciate your feedback on this change.
 
  cr.set_source_rgba(rgb_color[0], rgb_color[1], rgb_color[2], 1/(chr_mult+1))
 
:[[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 17:40, 25 Sep 2020 (PST)
 
  
::[[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]]: I'm on Windows 10 using GrampsAIO64-5.1.3-1 and Pycairo 1.16.1. All segments are tied to a maternal/paternal side since I only added the known ones. I do have some segemnts overlapping since many of them are from the same common ancestor couple. Yes drawing one maternal and paternal row for each chromosome is standard, but the DNA Painter also has an option to expand and collapse these rows, so you can see all overlapping segments. (see: https://dnapainter.com/example, click on the chromosome number or the plus/minus icon)
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:Hi Patsy, I am creating a page now describing the process to make the 4 PDF files. And instructions for others to make additionsl language variations. It does require experience with unix command line tools. The page is https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/Gramps_5.1_Manual_Creation . I provide all my scripts to reproduce each file. Gary
::[[User:Matt|Matt]] ([[User talk:Matt|talk]]) 08:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Gary, Wonderful contribution. Hopefully the work Gioto & I are doing ([https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/User:Patsyblefebre/User_manual_translations_check_of_redirects_per_Language checking page redirects & adding missing placeholder pages]) will help with what you are doing (once we are finished I could create a csv file if you find that useful to help simplify the process? [[User:Patsyblefebre|Patsy B Lefebre]] ([[User talk:Patsyblefebre|talk]]) 07:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC) ps: sorry I forgot to reply, sometimes the grand kids keep me busy :) typically it customary on a wiki to reply on the page the question was asked so I've moved this reply back to your page.
<gallery mode="packed-overlay" widths=300px heights=300px>
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:::Hi Gary, Looks interesting , thanks for doing this can it be automated on github? [[User:Gioto|Gioto]] ([[User talk:Gioto|talk]]) 22:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
File:DNA-gramplet.PNG|DNA Gramplet
 
File:DNA-gramplet2.PNG|DNA Gramplet transparent
 
File:DNA Painter example.png|DNA Painter with expanded Chromosome 1
 
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:[[User:Matt|Matt]]:  So you don't see value in changing the transparency, right? Then I will leave as is and make a note in the docs. I was not aware of the expansion in DNApainter. Thanks for pointing that out. Let me ponder implementing that. I am concerned that it will become very busy. Especially if I do all open or all small (using an overall PLUS rather than a per chromosome PLUS). What are your thoughts on individual plus vs just an overall plus?
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::::Patsy, sorry I was not aware of proper place to respond. I will keep to this page.
:[[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 17:11, 29 Sep 2020 (PST)
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::::To answer about github - I dont think so.
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::::Every language takes a bit of customization and if people change redirects, it can mess things up. You can compare the scripts for the various languages and see that some take different approaches based on whether redirects or translated pages are used. And my scripts were written for running on Mac (BSD version of tools) and some of the commands may have a slight tweak to the arguments they use if they are SVR4 based. 
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::::Most of my time when running the tools is spent fixing original pages so that they will work properly (fixing header and footer mostly). The tool itself takes about a day to add a language. If I have to make changes to translated pages (which I try very hard to avoid) I need someone familiar with the language to assist. I needed this for NL but not for HE or RU. And it was only a couple expressions.
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::::Have you completed the work with Gioto on redirects? If so, I can review to see if the manual generation process needs any updates. I have been asked to do a FR version. It is on my todo list.
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::::My goal is to do a 5.2 manual once the documentation is ready (maybe early 2024?). That will guide me on whether the scripts have a short life or a longer one.
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::::Patsy, I just completed the FR offline 5.1 Users Manual. Can you put it whereever it should go. [[Media:Gramps5.1UserManual_fr.pdf|Complete 5.1 French Offline Manual]]
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::::[[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]] ([[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 01:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::::Very handy :) I've added it to the translation table, but Patsy will have to added it to the French 5.1 user manual page as it is protected. [[User:CallMeDave|CallMeDave]] ([[User talk:CallMeDave|talk]])
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::::::Gary & Dave, I've added pdf to French 5.1 & 5.2 index page as requested. [[User:Patsyblefebre|Patsy B Lefebre]] ([[User talk:Patsyblefebre|talk]])
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:::::::>> Have you completed the work with Gioto on redirects?   
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:::::::All the redirects for the Enabled pages have been completed, Gioto & I have been mulling over if it's worth the effort to to do the rest? you can see the list on the following page https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/User:Patsyblefebre/User_manual_translations_check_of_redirects_per_Language  [[User:Patsyblefebre|Patsy B Lefebre]] ([[User talk:Patsyblefebre|talk]]) 00:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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::::::::My opinion is yes that it is worth the effort for the very reason [https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Patsyblefebre/User_manual_translations_check_of_redirects_per_Language you mentioned ("Is the goal to ultimatly have a placeholders for the missing Languages also so that when a user presses "F1" or selects help from the menu it at least goes to a page requesting translation? ")]  as such I'm happy to help also, should I wait for Gioto's template to be finished first? [[User:CallMeDave|CallMeDave]] ([[User talk:CallMeDave|talk]]) 23:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::::::::Hi CallMeDave, yes to the offer of help, but please hold until after the weekend :) [[User:Patsyblefebre|Patsy B Lefebre]] ([[User talk:Patsyblefebre|talk]]) 00:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::::::::: For the offline generation, it is easier if a language is completely using one method (redirect or not) rather than mixing. All of the languages I have translated have a mix and this makes the process difficult for someone else to read the scripts and make changes for a new language, for instance. Where should I put the FR scripts? As I do new languages, I further refine and simplify the process I use. I suspect when 5.2 is ready and all of the redirect is completed, I will simplify even more and make them more standard. For the earlier translations I fixed some of the translated pages. But then they were locked so I had to kludge the scripts instead. I would like to rebuild the scripts for 5.2 with no kludges when ready. --[[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]] ([[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 16:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  
::[[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]]: No, I don't think that transparency is a solution. Unfortunately I don't know what would be the best way to implement it. I'm afraid you can only try it that way and then try other solutions if it isn't working well. Maybe it would be more efficent to try to create it as a view or report (which calulates it once for two selected persons) instead of a gramplet (which calculates it every time you change a person or switch to another active person)?
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== German user manual ==
::[[User:Matt|Matt]] ([[User talk:Matt|talk]]) 14:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 
  
:[[User:Matt|Matt]]: If you wanted just the view of one other person, you can run SyncAssociation to copy the Note from the first person to the associated person (if it is not already there) and then switch to the associated person and run the DNA gramplet. That would (probably) only have one pair of people in the view. I assumed that the value of this gramplet was when there were many associated people to look at the big picture. I thought that there would be only a small number (often just one) of people with very long Associated lists. Looking at the reciprocal view would be a way to reveal overlaps. But I didnt think that would actually be interesting normally.
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Patsy, I translated the 5.1 manual to German and uploaded. Feel free to modify as needed.
:[[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 09:42, 04 Oct 2020 (PST)
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--[[User:GaryGriffin|GaryGriffin]] ([[User talk:GaryGriffin|talk]]) 17:15, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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::Thanks but No need as you have kept the naming consistent with the other user manuals. [[User:Patsyblefebre|Patsy B Lefebre]] ([[User talk:Patsyblefebre|talk]]) 23:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 23:30, 21 December 2023

User Manual

Hi Garry,

Thanks for the pdf user manuals very handy.

Hope you don't mind I've renamed the pages to include the version number in the filename.

I also added a link to the pdf copy on each of the relevant manual index pages.

Patsy B Lefebre (talk) 05:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

PS: How did you make them?

Hi Patsy, I am creating a page now describing the process to make the 4 PDF files. And instructions for others to make additionsl language variations. It does require experience with unix command line tools. The page is https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/Gramps_5.1_Manual_Creation . I provide all my scripts to reproduce each file. Gary
Gary, Wonderful contribution. Hopefully the work Gioto & I are doing (checking page redirects & adding missing placeholder pages) will help with what you are doing (once we are finished I could create a csv file if you find that useful to help simplify the process? Patsy B Lefebre (talk) 07:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC) ps: sorry I forgot to reply, sometimes the grand kids keep me busy :) typically it customary on a wiki to reply on the page the question was asked so I've moved this reply back to your page.
Hi Gary, Looks interesting , thanks for doing this can it be automated on github? Gioto (talk) 22:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Patsy, sorry I was not aware of proper place to respond. I will keep to this page.
To answer about github - I dont think so.
Every language takes a bit of customization and if people change redirects, it can mess things up. You can compare the scripts for the various languages and see that some take different approaches based on whether redirects or translated pages are used. And my scripts were written for running on Mac (BSD version of tools) and some of the commands may have a slight tweak to the arguments they use if they are SVR4 based.
Most of my time when running the tools is spent fixing original pages so that they will work properly (fixing header and footer mostly). The tool itself takes about a day to add a language. If I have to make changes to translated pages (which I try very hard to avoid) I need someone familiar with the language to assist. I needed this for NL but not for HE or RU. And it was only a couple expressions.
Have you completed the work with Gioto on redirects? If so, I can review to see if the manual generation process needs any updates. I have been asked to do a FR version. It is on my todo list.
My goal is to do a 5.2 manual once the documentation is ready (maybe early 2024?). That will guide me on whether the scripts have a short life or a longer one.
Patsy, I just completed the FR offline 5.1 Users Manual. Can you put it whereever it should go. Complete 5.1 French Offline Manual
GaryGriffin (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Very handy :) I've added it to the translation table, but Patsy will have to added it to the French 5.1 user manual page as it is protected. CallMeDave (talk)
Gary & Dave, I've added pdf to French 5.1 & 5.2 index page as requested. Patsy B Lefebre (talk)
>> Have you completed the work with Gioto on redirects?
All the redirects for the Enabled pages have been completed, Gioto & I have been mulling over if it's worth the effort to to do the rest? you can see the list on the following page https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/User:Patsyblefebre/User_manual_translations_check_of_redirects_per_Language Patsy B Lefebre (talk) 00:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
My opinion is yes that it is worth the effort for the very reason you mentioned ("Is the goal to ultimatly have a placeholders for the missing Languages also so that when a user presses "F1" or selects help from the menu it at least goes to a page requesting translation? ") as such I'm happy to help also, should I wait for Gioto's template to be finished first? CallMeDave (talk) 23:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi CallMeDave, yes to the offer of help, but please hold until after the weekend :) Patsy B Lefebre (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
For the offline generation, it is easier if a language is completely using one method (redirect or not) rather than mixing. All of the languages I have translated have a mix and this makes the process difficult for someone else to read the scripts and make changes for a new language, for instance. Where should I put the FR scripts? As I do new languages, I further refine and simplify the process I use. I suspect when 5.2 is ready and all of the redirect is completed, I will simplify even more and make them more standard. For the earlier translations I fixed some of the translated pages. But then they were locked so I had to kludge the scripts instead. I would like to rebuild the scripts for 5.2 with no kludges when ready. --GaryGriffin (talk) 16:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

German user manual

Patsy, I translated the 5.1 manual to German and uploaded. Feel free to modify as needed. --GaryGriffin (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks but No need as you have kept the naming consistent with the other user manuals. Patsy B Lefebre (talk) 23:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)