Proposal to move genealogy advice outside this wiki
I think we should do this, but I don't think we have found the right solution yet. Damn, I thought I had... --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Reasons for the move
- Credibility is improved by keeping advice separate from a specific software solution
- The GRAMPS wiki is relatively small and presumably gets few non-GRAMPS users visiting
- Supporting the best existing sites about genealogy reduces duplication of effort
- Involvement in more active (and diverse) websites increases the potential for collaboration and original solutions and thoughts
Current problems with moving
- There are no good multilingual sites
- Internal links in this site need to be preserved (so don't actually delete a page, leave a link to the new location)
Wishlist for genealogy advice website
(Please sign your wishes so we can discuss them on the email lists)
- Fully multi-lingual (Jerome), --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
- The site must use a free license (free to use, modify and distribute) --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT) (help.ubuntu.com/community uses BY-SA )
- Consensus among wiki editors on which site to use, so we can endorse it for readers as our preferred choice. --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
- Site should aggregate from other sites' content, to avoid duplication (what's this called?) --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
- GPL is OK for Debian
- BY-SA v3.0 is OK for help.ubuntu.com/community Ubuntu, but is it OK for Debian?
- GFDL is OK for Debian (but they don't like it) only if there is no 'invariant text'. They say that in August 2008, but which version are they talking about? See if you can work it out: Debian Documentation Policy (DRAFT)
- Creative Commons Licenses, version 2.0 or 2.5 (Debian, August 2008)
- Creative Commons BY-NC-SA, preventing commercial use is not 'free' by the Debian definition
Comparison of potential websites
The column 'Redistributable with Debian?' is there because Debian has the most restrictive policy on including documentation.
|Website||License||Positive points||Negative points||Redistributable with Debian?|
|Familypedia||CC-BY-SA||Has nearly 70,000 articles (and about 80,000 other pages); advanced use of categories and templates, using Semantic MediaWiki; accepts any language (actively pursuing that since 2009)||Genealogy advice and records share the same wiki||Yes without 'invariant text'|
|WeRelate.org||CC-BY-SA (text)||Claim 2,000,000 entries. By the registered charity Foundation for On-Line Genealogy||Genealogy advice and records share the same wiki||Yes without 'invariant text'|
|FamilySearch||BY-NC-SA||FamilySearch Wiki is [only] about genealogical research advice.(ref)||BY-NC-SA means no commercial use.||No|
|GenealogyWiki.org||A Creative Commons license, but the license link is dead. I've written to them but had no response. URL unavailable, Feb 2010.||Is only for genealogy information, not articles and thoughts.||Is only for genealogy information, not articles and thoughts.||?|
|GeneaWiki||BY-NC-SA||+ in french, very active||- most part in french, english available||No|
|Genealogy Wikibook||CC-BY-SA||Hierarchic book structure may improve navigation to non-genealogy pages||Not very active. Two dozen pages of genealogy advice (mostly in subpage form) and over 38,000 non-genealogical pages share the same wiki||Yes without 'invariant text'|
|TEMPLATE[url name]||[url license]||?||?||?|
(Move old content down here if it should be kept for reference)
(Bob's question was answered three months ago. Text deleted. --DuncanNZ 09:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT))
I've just spotted the + indicating access to this discussion - should be more obvious!
It seems to me that the Genealogy Wikibook (last in the tabulated list) is the most appropriate place for this portal - perhaps even combined? The purposes appear to be similar.
The comment "little used" suggests that a few more links would be useful. Yours sincerely,
firstname.lastname@example.org SFHG Member No: 11619
Portal Genealogy - moving
Returning to this - FamilySearch appears to be removed from consideration because it is shown as not redistributable with Debian.
It is however an excellent facility, and I can access it using Firefox in a LinuxMint-6 system.
I'm a Newbie in these matters, but I understand that LinuxMint is a derivative of Ubuntu, itself a derivative of Debian. What is required beyond the ability to access it?
The title FamilySearch however invites confusion with the (free) Ancestry.com site.
- The problem is not the accessing (i.e. reading) of the information, but if you can, for example, make a dump of the wiki and distribute it on a CD or as a package, and modify the contents, etc. So it's a matter of licencing, hence the reference to Debian since they have clearly defined lines about what constitutes free documentation and what doesn't. As such being able to be "distributed in Debian" is a way to express that the resource should pass the Debian criteria for free documentation. The FamilySearch site, for example, which is one of the best in terms of practical advices and practices, uses a licence that prohibits commercial pro-profit distribuition, and as such falls short o being considered free documentation, and GRAMPS will not advice the use of a wiki whose content isn't free to use, modify and redistribute. --Fsmunoz 14:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)