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= Proposed move =
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= Proposal to move genealogy advice outside this wiki =
I've been working a bit recently on the gramps wiki in this section (portal) about genealogy. Then I thought "why do we have our own gramps section about genealogy instead of contributing to a common resource.?"
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I suggest that we begin (carefully) moving articles which are not specific to GRAMPS out of the GRAMPS wiki. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  
So I found these wikis which are not associated with any specific software, which I think is good. What do you think about these? And please add more options for adding content. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 14:51, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
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== Reasons for moving genealogy advice outside this wiki ==
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* Credibility is improved by keeping advice seperate from a specific software solution
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* The GRAMPS wiki is relatively small and presumably gets few non-GRAMPS users visiting
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* Supporting the best existing sites about genealogy reduces duplication of effort
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* Involvement in more active (and diverse) websites increases the potential for collaboration and original solutions and thoughts
  
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== Current problems with moving genealogy advice outside this wiki ==
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* There are no good multilingual sites
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* Internal inks in this site need to be preserved (so don't actually delete a page, leave a link to the new location)
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== Wishlist for genealogy advice website ==
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(Please sign you wishes so we can discuss them on the email lists)
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* Fully multi-lingual (Jerome), --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
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* Using a license which allows content to be included in GRAMPS documentation for Debian and gNewSense (we need a link to their criteria) --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
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* Consensus among wiki editors on which site to use, so we can endorse it for readers as our preferred choice. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
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* Site should aggregate from other sites' content, to avoid duplication (what's this called?) --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
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== Comparison of potential websites ==
 
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:* What about translations ?
 
:* What about internal links ?
 
:ex : [http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Events_in_GRAMPS Events in Gramps] or [http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_Glossary GRAMPS' Glossary]
 
--[[User:Romjerome|Romjerome]]
 
 
:The pages you linked there are GRAMPS specific. I don't think they should move, just the generic pages, or pages which with some rewording can be generic. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 07:47, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 
 
== Jerry ==
 
 
Great idea, why duplicate effort.
 
 
'''BUT''' what about making it a practice to add documentation of reference notes to the bottom of a section.  Wikipedia does this, but only at the bottom.  I think it makes more sense to make it closest to the subject.  On my personal wiki, where I keep configuration notes, I have made a practice of this.
 
 
Example:
 
 
''Reference:''
 
 
  [http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html X Over SSH2 - A Tutorial]
 
  [http://www.jperkins.us/genealogy/ Jerry Perkins' Genealogy]
 
:I tend to do that too. But it depends on how much information you want to have in the reference. A full reference with name, date, website, author takes too much space. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 07:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 
  
 
= Bob =
 
= Bob =
 
(This question was answered three months ago. Text deleted. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT))
 
(This question was answered three months ago. Text deleted. --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT))

Revision as of 06:33, 16 October 2008

Proposal to move genealogy advice outside this wiki

I suggest that we begin (carefully) moving articles which are not specific to GRAMPS out of the GRAMPS wiki. --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Reasons for moving genealogy advice outside this wiki

  • Credibility is improved by keeping advice seperate from a specific software solution
  • The GRAMPS wiki is relatively small and presumably gets few non-GRAMPS users visiting
  • Supporting the best existing sites about genealogy reduces duplication of effort
  • Involvement in more active (and diverse) websites increases the potential for collaboration and original solutions and thoughts

Current problems with moving genealogy advice outside this wiki

  • There are no good multilingual sites
  • Internal inks in this site need to be preserved (so don't actually delete a page, leave a link to the new location)

Wishlist for genealogy advice website

(Please sign you wishes so we can discuss them on the email lists)

  • Fully multi-lingual (Jerome), --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Using a license which allows content to be included in GRAMPS documentation for Debian and gNewSense (we need a link to their criteria) --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Consensus among wiki editors on which site to use, so we can endorse it for readers as our preferred choice. --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Site should aggregate from other sites' content, to avoid duplication (what's this called?) --DuncanNZ 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Comparison of potential websites

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Website License Positive points Negative points Redistributable with documentation?
Familypedia GFDL Claim 24,320 entries Opinion and actual genealogy share the same wiki ?
WeRelate.org GFDL (text) Claim 2,000,000 entries. By the registered charity Foundation for On-Line Genealogy Opinion and actual genealogy share the same wiki ?
FamilySearch Wiki-Beta Test BY-NC-SA FamilySearch Wiki is [only] about genealogical research advice.(ref) BY-NC-SA requires citation, tricky if you're merging many sources. ?
GenealogyWiki.org A Creative Commons license, but the license link is dead. I've written to him. Is only for genealogy information, not articles and thoughts. Is only for genealogy information, not articles and thoughts. ?
GeneaWiki BY-NC-SA + in french, very active - only in french ?

Bob

(This question was answered three months ago. Text deleted. --DuncanNZ 09:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT))